August 07, 2005
Fighting back against Fred

If there's a more repugnant person in America today than Fred Phelps, I don't want to know who it is. Picketing the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq to promote his hateful agenda is just sickening. I'm glad to see that some people have thought of a way to use Phelps' grandstanding against him.


Phelps is highly outspoken against homosexuality. He believes God is killing America's soldiers because "gays are taking over the country." However, one woman says a group in Michigan has already dealt with the protesting pastor.

"He protested their bar, and they decided instead of counter-acting and counter-protesting him with signs, they decided to do a fundraiser," said Melissa Yoannon, the local fundraiser coordinator.

All these ladies are asking for is a nickel, dime or quarter pledge per minute that Phelps protests Taylor's funeral.

Yoannon asked, "I thought if we could do this and get some money for Sgt. Taylor's wife, to make up for this man putting such a stain on the last peaceful moment she has with him, why not?"

"That's already enough of a burden on the family to have to deal with that, especially with the kids. Then have some guy sharing his views on something that has nothing to do with the family," said Sanders.

Yoannon has set up a phone number and e-mail address where you can send your pledge.

"They can just e-mail me their name, phone number and what they want to pledge. I'll get back to them and give them the information where they can send the money to."

She said it's the least they can do in this time of grief.

"If he wants to spill his hate, we'll spill our love and money."

If you wish to make a pledge, you can contact Yoannon at (706)366-0945. To e-mail your information, send it to sgt.taylorfund@hotmail.com.

If you wish to make a flat donation, you can do so by stopping by or sending it to any Charter Bank location. In Opelika, you can call (334)742-0266. The mailing address is:

Charter Bank
114 S. 7th Street
Opelika, AL 36801

Make your donation to the Sgt. Christopher Taylor Fund. There are two accounts, so you need to specify the one for which you wish to donate. One is set up for "wife and kids," and the other is just "kids."


I hope they raise a ton of money, and I hope this idea gets copied wherever Phelps brings his slimy sideshow. Thanks to Julia for the tip.

Posted by Charles Kuffner on August 07, 2005 to National news | TrackBack
Comments

I know fred phelps from 11 years ago when I was living in Topeka. He is insane. His "church" is a joke --- they're all Phelps' family members. Unfortunately, he's a lawyer (albeit a disbarred one), and he is an expert on Freedom of Speech. No one's been able to prosecute him yet for spreading his slime.

Posted by: alice on August 7, 2005 7:03 PM

That is utterly brilliant. I'm glad to see someone is doing SOMETHING to counteract the bilge that idiot is spreading around.

Posted by: Amy on August 7, 2005 10:07 PM

Frankly I'm really surprised that someone hasn't fragged his ass already. He's making enemies of a lot of folks who know an awful lot about weapons and explosives. One would think that he is at great risk of being beaten to within an inch of his life or worse. I'm not saying I would defend such a course of action. Only that I'm surprised it hasn't already happened.

Posted by: Kent on August 8, 2005 9:44 AM

Regarding Fred Phelps, I thought the reception his followers got when they showed up to protest at the wrong high school in California was pretty good.

Posted by: Travis Jefferson on August 8, 2005 10:21 AM

Phelps is disgusting but whenever I read about his activities, one thing comes to mind: he's not completely unlike some of the more polite people who hold similar sentiments. By putting a very ugly face on that kind of thinking, he actually serves a purpose: reminding people that you can take hate and intolerance and dress it up, but underneath it is just as ugly. I think that Phelps is what you'd get if someone articulate and media savvy like Rick Santorum goes around the bend.

That doesn't excuse the picketing of funerals or anything like that - it's horrifying. But Phelps insisting that America is being punished for not going all-out in suppression of its gay citizens is not that far, at heart, than someone like Santorum saying that everyone is equal but some are more equal and oh by the way gay people are like people who have sex with dogs and Boston is to blame for pedophile priests. I think Phelps is, in his moonbat around the bend way, at least a bit more honest about his loathesomeness.

Posted by: John on August 8, 2005 10:43 AM

Fred Phelps is a walking advertisement for abortion.

I'd love him to meet my friend Jeffree.
www.myspace.com/jeffreestar

Posted by: Elizabeth on August 30, 2005 10:46 AM

I heard about Fred Phelps on my local news channel here in OH. Is he for real? How does he think he got the right to Feedom of Speech if it were not for our troops fighting to keep us FREE! What ever happened to love thy neighbor? Didn't god create us in his own image? I say if he doesn't like how we run our country then get the f out. It could be a lot worse.We could be communist. He wouldn't have the right to protest anything.
Regardless of race, color, creed, religion, occupation or sexual preference, we are all related. It's time to stop the hatred.
He must be a former KKK member.

Posted by: Stephanie on January 30, 2006 1:04 PM

Fred Phelps is going to hell. end of story.

Posted by: jim robins on February 21, 2006 3:27 PM

God Bless these actions againts this insane man that dishonors are soliders and there families that have given their lives to our great country

Posted by: CHRIS ALFORD on February 28, 2006 4:35 PM

There are all sorts of groups that have strong ties to the military, such as the Hell's Angels and other biker groups. Why not go to them and give them the dates and places of fred phelps future protests. The bikers will show up and turn phelps' peacefull protests into violent ones. After a couple of these, the law will have to step in and play a greater part. Just a thought.

Posted by: Seth on March 10, 2006 11:21 AM

Iím posting this so lots of people will get to read it. I didnít write it.
This was posted on a Fred Phelps thread on Fark a few weeks ago. It really explains why Fred Phelps does what he does. Apologies to the submitter, but I don't remember his/her name.
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Fred Phelps does not believe what he is doing. This is a scam.

It's a business. They travel the country, set up websites telling you exactly when they'll be there, and using the most inflammatory statements all over the place, just to get someone to violate their rights for profit. Then they sue the military, the police force that was to protect them, and everyone that is around them for money. This is a sham, and it is a trap to get people sued. Every member of his family is an attorney. Phelps does not break the law. What he does is try to make you break the law by trying to punch your sensibilities about everything you hold dear, and then sue you and everyone municipality around him to the max.

This is a scam.

Whether he believes his posters or not is irrelevant.
He's using this as a moneymaking scheme.
Lay one finger on him, do one thing that violates him, and he will sue you, and more importantly, the city, the police department, the US Military, and any private property owner he happens to be standing on to make money off of it.

Let's look at the ways he's trying to get you up in a tizzy to violate his civil rights for profit:
-He says G-d Hates F-gs, G-d hates the US Govt., that G-d hates the US Military, G-d Hates you, and G-d justifies the killing of others.
Phelps knows that saying 'G-d' and 'Hate' in the same sentence gets people worked up. He knows that. He knows that people have a knee jerk reaction to that.
-He says that the US Govt. and the United States are evil.
This is another hot button with people who love their country. It is intentional. It is designed to make you take a swing at him. He wants $50,000 from you. He wants a Powerball winner to swing at him so he gets 100 million dollars. It's that simple.
-He goes after homosexuals, he goes after people who are making sacrifices. Phelps intentionally targets people that are being victimized, or good people doing their jobs to create more outrage. He kicks people when they're down. He does that so someone will come up and defend them. Then he will sue you.
-His boards are laminated on hardwood, because he pulls them out of trucks at least five times a week. He also puts them in bright colors for attention, and makes absolutely sure that you can read them at all time. He's phishing you. Everyone must know that.

The most telling tale about all of Phelp's behavior is the schedule he keeps, and the company he keeps as well. The parties sometimes split up and go to two separate state funerals to maximize the profitability of them. There are, at maximum, twelve members to the party. They never stay more than thirty minutes (I assume they realize that someone will do something to them the MOMENT they come out of the vans, and really, after that, they get their camera shots to cause the outrage for the next stop, and then they move on) to maximize their profits, because time is money, and really, they're not interested in the message, because they're just interested in the lawsuit.

See? They don't believe this stuff. If they did, they wouldn't have come to Coretta Scott King's funeral. Because in their doctrine, they don't believe that G-d hates black people who tried to promote Christianity. So why were they there? They were there to make a buck when someone slipped up. They were there to petition the police department for a right to protest, and if they didn't get it, take them to court over it.

Basically, Phelps is playing the Ken Lay, Karl Rove, "Smartest Man in the Room" game where he is willing to do anything (if it be lying or stealing, or telling you God hates you) to make himself rich and powerful. This is his scheme, and admittedly, it's clever, but just downright evil to promote so much hatred in the world.

Tell all your friends about this.
This man is a con artist, and he's not a man of religion whatsoever.

After all, he makes everyone around him a lawyer.
That should tell you right now he is not anything.
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How do I know that Fred Phelps is suing people? I can tell you I just have too much experience around him. I am a journalist in Nashville, TN, and work at a television station that works the Ft. Campbell area. As a television photographer and journalist, I have been trained in all of the rules of private property, verbal conversation, what is legal and what is not legal, etc. (what you can and cannot say, what you can get away with). Honestly, in the last few months, I have seen waaay too much of Mr. Phelps and his crew. Since the war began, I believe they think this is the moneymaking source of a lifetime.

So how am I sure? After the third run in, and not one slip, not one piece of paperwork out of line, I knew something was fishy. My newsman skepticism left me with the idea later that something was more phishy than fishy.
I will tell you where I got this truth about Phelps. I looked him in the eye. I saw that he was way too calm and collected for what he looked like in the media. I noticed that he never made personal statements against a person, which is verbal assault, and an out against a lawsuit. Also, for a religious fanatic, a group of people who pride themselves on personal attacks, he was running a protest so terribly by the books that I was impressed by it. He will not bait a person, ever. He will not make personal attacks. He will make blanket statements. He will look at a person in the crowd that he thinks is gay, walk over to his stack of signs, pull out the appropriate, well designed, easily read, laminated bright board, and hold it up and loudly proclaim that "gays are going to hell" or some such nonsense, and make eye contact, but he will never cross the line of telling that person that they're going to hell. That would be the part that would screw up the lawsuit. He just wants to get them after him, but wants to appear utterly blameless for damages.

They run too tight of a ship to slip up, and at that point, I realized that the objective of the group was not anything religious at all. Someone told me along the way that they were all turned into lawyers after he got disbarred. After that, the stench was just too intense for me. He makes money off of this. He does this so much he has everyone around him do the legal legwork so he doesn't have to pay anyone else.

The last time confirmed everything I suspected about them.
A few weeks later, I saw them again (they LOVE to come to big name funerals) and after I saw the laminated signs change for the audience, I knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

His 'crew' isn't a 'church' as you and I would know. The 'church' are more of a motley crew of family members. Some of them are six year old children that are doing what they're told. I have spoken to them, and they have a lawyers sensibility on them on how they speak to the public. They never make personal attacks. They never verbally assault anyone. For a group of people that are accusing damn near every group of people around them for going to hell, wouldn't that seem odd to you? Do you know any religious fanatics that don't make personal attacks? I don't.

They also don't stick around after the cameras roll. They have an itinerary like a semi truck driver. For them to get cleared for all of these press event protests they're doing, then they have to have someone at home doing all of the setup. For you to get the press clearances by the prescribed times? That's a lot of professional legwork. I should know, I've coordinated a newsrooms credentials when the President comes to town, and that's a lot of phone calls and faxes.

They probably file a load of civil rights violation lawsuits. If a police department looks them up and says, "we're denying your protest right," BOOYah. They just got to sue a police department for the very thing that Americans can't stand, rights violation. I am assuming that this is where they get almost all of their money.

See my previous post. Their beliefs are so riddled with inconsistency. The 'real inconsistency' is that every position that contradicts every other of their beliefs is designed to maximize the number of people that they offend. You cannot be saved to them. You are evil in their beliefs, no matter who you are, and God will punish you like the evil gays/soldiers/innocent people/people who love America/people who are black/everyone else we can think of.

Here's the proof. Who in the world makes a poster that says, "Thank God for IEDs" (Improvised Explosive Devices, aka Roadside Bombs). They are saying God is with the terrorists. Then they say God hates you. And homosexuals. Then when they see you looking patriotic with your American flag shirt, they point the sign at you and say, "Americans are going to hell for supporting this country!" and look you in the eye. NOTICE THOUGH, they never say, "You're going to hell." (That would give a judge an out to deny them their claim.)

Posted by: JC on March 23, 2006 4:55 PM

I've read alot about this Fred Phelps.I must admitt, he really has people stirred up. I believe that if people pay no attention to him he will eventually have no choice but to go away. He thrives off of violence and hatred. He will not have a leg to stand on if people don't give him a chance. I say ignore him...God has the final say and thats something Fred Phelps absolutely will not admitt.

Posted by: Joyce on April 14, 2006 1:48 PM

The difference between Fred Phelps and God is very simple. God does not think he is Fred Phelps.

Posted by: Benjamin J. "Joe" Browning on April 19, 2006 9:19 PM

Fred Phelps is a homophobe because psychologically, those who go out and gay bash other homosexuals are actually closeted homosexual stuggling with their sexual orientation. Thus, Fred Phelps himself is a homosexual; he hates himself, and what better way to express his "manhood", going out and bashing others of his own kind. Psychologists out there knows Mr. Phelps, that you are gay and it is time to end the hatred starting with yourself.

Posted by: Patrick on June 4, 2006 5:59 PM